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The Fiscal Cliff: What Deal Would You Cut?

Massachusetts Democrats in Congress want to avoid cuts in benefits as part of any deal, but proposals such as raising the eligibility age for Medicare are still on the table. What would you do?

 

As Congress negotiates a deal to avoid the so-called "fiscal cliff" on Jan. 1, Massachusetts' congressional representatives have voiced their opposition to any cuts in benefits such as Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the Boston Globe reports.

However, there are proposals still on the table that would change those benefit programs, including linking Social Security benefits to a more conservative inflation index that would slightly reduce annual increases, or raising the eligibility age for Medicare from 65 to 67.

The Globe reported that while the Bay State's legislators were united against changes to Social Security, there's some wiggle room on Medicare. Rep. Ed Markey opposes raising the Medicare eligibility age; Rep. Michael Capuano would consider raising the age in trade for higher tax rates on the wealthy; and Rep. Richard Neal would consider raising the eligibility of Medicare by one month a year.

The fiscal cliff is partly a result of a deal struck in August 2011 to raise the debt ceiling. On Jan. 1, the Bush tax cuts would expire, as would extended unemployment benefits and a payroll tax cut. There would also be $1.2 trillion in spending cuts, an automatic reduction if a joint Congressional committee couldn't come up with a list of cuts to present to lawmakers for approval.

Without a deal to avert the fiscal cliff, a White House report says that a Massachusetts family of four, earning $86,000, would see its income taxes rise by $2,200, the Globe reports.

Some pundits have advocated going over the fiscal cliff—not striking a deal, allowing the tax cuts to expire and spending cuts to go into effect on Jan. 1—as a way to strengthen their side in tax negotations or to rationalize the tax code.

The Tax Policy Center has created a calculator that shows the effect the fiscal cliff would have on different households, and allows comparisons with alternative tax policies presented by both Democrats and Republicans.

What deal would you strike to avoid the fiscal cliff? Which tax cuts would you keep and which would you allow to expire? Would you raise the eligibility age for Medicare? Agree to Social Security changes? Or advocate going over the fiscal cliff? Tell us in the comments.

Related Topics: Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Tax Cuts, Taxes, federal debt, and fiscal cliff

Rob

12:41 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Get rid of government pensions.

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Brandon Chapman

12:54 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

No deal will be successful without entitlement reform. These are the biggest drivers of our debt and as such they should absolutely be on the table. I'm not expecting any type of "grand bargain" however. I think there will be another temporary measure to avoid "going over the cliff", which will basically be just kicking the can down the road....again

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AHM

3:02 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Probably that's they way it will play out Brandon. At this late date I don't see them solving anything. Thye ignored the problem too long. Funny how you ignore it and it does not go away.

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saul glick

9:14 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I would like to know what entitlement is?
Am i entitled to social security, if i have paid into it all my working life? Yes, i think so.
Am i entitled to medicare if i paid into it all my working life? I think so.
What are we talking about when we say Entitlement reform?

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AHM

7:10 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Saul, I think what most people think of entitlement is those who think we owe them a living off something that is meant to be temporary just to get them buy. I am not talking about those that need and deserve it but those who should never have gotten it in the first place. You don't have to look far to see it. I see it in my own family and I find it disgusting. We were not brought up that way. I have conditions which would allow me to claim disability an freeload, I can't do that. Others can and think they deserve more than they get. They really know how to play the system. They think they are entitled to it. Where the heck do they think it comes from?

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Diana

8:36 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

And you think that the programs you personally disapprove of are the biggest drivers of our debt? That's... adorable.

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Arthur DeLuca

11:28 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Social Security is going broke for two reasons:

1) The Government (I think starting with Reagan) has borrowed money from it. Are they paying it back? Are they continuing to borrow even more from it.

2) There is a tax cap on how much each person puts into it from their wages each year. Once a person earns enough that year no more SSI comes out of it. I millionaire earning $1 million a year pays no more into it than a millionaire paying $50 million. I'm sure the cap is less than one million. I don't know the current cap. How about removing it and making it apply to all earned income regardless of how high that reaches. This should take the worries off of Social security going broke. The tax is actual on your paycheck as FICA. I think it funds multiple things as it was broken down into SSI and Medicare. There may now be a cap on only part of the fundings with others lifted. The cap needs to be removed from ALL of it.

Also, how about cutting each State down to only ONE Senator. And how about having the Federal Senator also be the State Senator. That would eliminate 156 Senators from the Government and from the payrolls (oops - more if you count the US territories). This rolls forward in future to eliminate 156 free-to-these-employees full coverage insurance policies; might help to reign in insurance costs.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

1:06 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Brandon: No deal will be successful without the top tax rate being restored to what it was under Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. You agree? Make the tax rate permanent for 98 % of the other personal tax payers and 97% of the small businesses.

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Matt C

5:14 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Arthur DeLuca, its a retirement program with a cap on how much you can get out, remove the cap on out and keep in inline with the investment in and then you can remove the limit. as it is if you reach the cap (young) then you will never get what you put in out.

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Who Me?

6:10 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

This should be the first type of "Entitlement" reform they tackle. All the hand wringing, and the world is going to end, and they grab a Billion of our money for themselves?
Plenty of money folks....it's how they spend it that's the problem

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2012/12/obama_hikes_pay_select_officials

Jake

1:22 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Put some major illegal immigration reforms as part of the bill as well as requiring ID's to vote.

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Matt C

2:18 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

because clearly its the illegal immigrants trying to vote in our elections that caused the issue in the first place...

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Rob

3:12 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Matt - there is definitely a cost to supporting illegal immigrants. You can't deny that.

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Matt C

5:57 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Yes there is a cost, but I think if you look at the bigger picture, the additional cost to police and resulting benefit to society... I don't think it is worth the effort. I would rather focus on the bigger problems we are facing as a country as means to encourage growth, decrese spending and cut debt

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Arthur DeLuca

11:34 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I'll only except a requirement for ID's if they are issued FREE. Otherwise you are paying for the right to vote, which has already been struck down as illegal. Some States used to charge a poll tax to vote. This was established to exclude the poor from voting.

Tyler Jozefowicz

2:19 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

No cuts should be made to entitlement programs until the top 2% are asked to contribute to debt reduction. That group felt very little pain during the Recession which affected the middle class, and should contribute towards the solution .
Why the Republicans are so anxious to protect the rich is beyond belief, and why Congressional Republicans are bending over backwards to protect 2% of the wealthiest is equally beyond belief. Give 98% of the American people and 97% of small businesses permanent tax relief right now. There should be no argument here. The American people by about 80 % agree with that approach. This should be done BEFORE seniors and low income people are asked to sacrifice.
There was an election on Nov 6th. the chief argument was which direction the country should go in . That approach won; Obama won. The American electorate spoke. Some act as if an election never took place.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

2:55 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Tyler, you need to attend remedial classes. Look up how much of the U. S. tax burden is shouldered by the top 2%. Rethink your president's every growing culture of dependency. Try to approach the problem as a maker, not a taker.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Rob

3:09 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Of course people are ok with a tax hike that won't affect them. That doesn't make it right. But to imply that the top 2% don't pay their fair share is ridiculous.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

3:51 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Reverend: I never said that was the entire solution.It amounts to 800 billion over 10 years. The Democrat plan right now is 1.2 T revenue enhancements & about 3 Trillion expenditure cuts. 3:1 is reasonable. every credible economist and even the negotiating parties fell 4 trillion over 10 years is the right approach. that much they agree upon.
So don't get ignorant and suggest that I " attend remedial classes". Nothing to "rethink".

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Alex T.

4:48 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I dont know anyone raising a family and owning property in Reading and making a household income of $250 k. who in anyway could be considered wealthy, they are the middle class atleast in this section of the country! The 51% of the American electorate that spoke was a coalition of made up of misfits,moonbats minorities, and gimme girls unfortunately the real middle class hard working Americans have to pay for that mistake. Americans that pay taxes went with Romney by over 60% of the vote, unfortunately the layabouts have equal say.

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Matt C

6:22 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Alex - I guess it comes down to what you mean by wealthy,or middle class, or poor. When I use the term wealthy I mean someone who has income enough that they are able to acquire wealth and pass that wealth on to the next generation, this is different than a family which has the ability to save enough to retire comfortably, which is different than someone living pay check to pay check. The middle class means a lot of things to different people. But you can't be in the top 5% of earners and consider yourself part of the middle.

just a few facts , the median income family of 4 in ma was estimated at roughly 100k (http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/statemedian/) and the median incom overall was 63k and boston itself. Reading is in line with those numbers..

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Matt C

6:35 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III: I took a moment to google you and you appear on over 30 patch sites - clearly you have a lot of time on your hands. Anyway... When people think about fairness they rarely think in absolute terms they think in relative terms. They don't see a difference in source of income (salary, dividends, capital gains etc.) What they hear is not that the average person making over 1M in taxes pays hundreds of thousands in taxes they hear that they pay a lower effective tax rate than someone making 50k /yr. People would like to see equity in burden carried. Just like the wealthy want to see the poor pay their share, the middle class wants to see the wealthy feel the same tax burden.

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Bill. S

8:34 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I am pretty sure that the owners of my company fall into the $250k per year category.
Do you really think that they are going to take a hit to the pocket? Of course not, they will just cut a few jobs, and or cut the hours of the 70kper yr people and they wont loose a dime. They will just pass the buck

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Arthur DeLuca

11:47 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

They want to protect the rich because they ARE some of the rich. You are asking them to increase their own taxes. The Republican party was born out of the ashes of the Whig (or is it "Wig" - i forget) party, which was a party that believed in the principles of England; the country we rebelled against because we wanted something better than that. So all you rich people who don't like the way this country is being run; why don't you repatriate yourselves to England where the rules should be more to your liking and leave the rest of us to live under the Goivernment we chose this Country to be?

By the way, there was no federal Income tax until WWI. let's find out how the Government managed to operate back then and try it again. It will mean less of those entitlement programs that rankle folks so much - we'll need to start taking care of each other again, but it may just work out better than the way it's going now. We managed it for over 100 years without the massive problems this new version has brought us to.

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Matt C

5:15 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

The majority of people who can run for office and "afford" to run for office making the relatively wealthy to begin with - lets be honest, who can take 6 months off to campaign, not most of us here.

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Rick Frazier

9:22 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

There was an election. Did things change? No they did not. What we got was the status quo....business as usual in Washington.
As far as asking the "evil rich people to pay their share" I say get over it. Even if we taxed these top 2% at a rate of 50% or more, we would be in the same position.

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Bob

8:05 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Tyler, maybe you need a civics lesson. The people returned control of the government pocketbook to the Republican's (House of Rep.) to control President Obama's out of control spending. He has offered 3 budgets to the Senate (with Dem control) and gotten exactly ZERO votes of support.

Matt C

2:27 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

The only way to really fix things is similar to what brandon said, put everything on the table and find the best mix of fixes. In my opinion this could easily be resolved by a mix where you keep capital gains static, roll back bush cuts for income under 250k, cap non-charitable deductions at 30k, match SSI and Medicaid eligibility ages, increase the retirement age more gradually from 67-70 for people born after 1980. This hits everyone and helps everyone. It is still progressive and could over time help us to begin to reduce the national debt

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Rob

3:11 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

What about increasing the retirement age for government employees to 65. How come that's never discussed?

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Bob

8:11 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Or tie our employees incomes (ie. public employees) to the average income of their employers? Average salary for public employees are almost twice that of private sector. Upside down! PLUS they get the kiss in the mail when they retire.

Jennifer

2:43 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Obama is a failure as a president. His supporters just can't get over the fact they're wrong. If you touched something hot as a child you learned not to touch it again. Looks like many adults can't learn that lesson. The freeloaders and illegal immigrants are a huge drain on America and your elected leaders keep giving them more and more. Where is the sense in that? Sounds like buying votes to me.

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AHM

2:58 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

That's for sure. I would have hired people to check on each and every case we are paying out to. We would be creating jobs and getting rid of freeloaders of which there are plenty. I see this each and every day how this is abused. There are deserving and that is who it is meant for. Obama had 4 years to show us he had something, not. I know at the end of the year I have to make a payment to the IRS, I work towards this all year, now wait until the last minute and try to figure it out. This could have been avoided by just having a leader to get us in the right direction. And yes, everyone is happy they are keeping their Obama phones.

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Zoltan

3:17 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

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Sarah Bellum

3:19 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Jennifer, this isn't about the President. This about Senate/House Democrats & Republicans unwilling to compromise to find a amicable solution. Unfortunately, people like yourself can't get over the outcome of the election.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

3:59 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Jennifer: beg to differ with you. The "failure" comes from a "do nothing" Republican House and a Republican filbuster proof Senate. They have failed to put Country First. Stall Obama , then claim he failed - it's an admitted strategy. Fortunately the American people saw through that on Nov 6th.

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Noreen

7:21 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Here we are all talking about methods to do something about what is probably going to be the biggest mess in US history before this joker is done, and he's planning his 17-day vacation in Hawaii!!! No, he won't be rolling up his sleeves and digging in to find a way out of this mess. We the taxpayers are paying for his family vacation....talk about rubbing his arrogance in all our faces, and everyone across the country... unfortunately the ignorant ones, who voted him back in again won't worry about it. Many of them are illegal...not working, and aren't paying taxes anyway!!! When it get worse, and the freebies stop, and it begins to affect their lives, only then will they realize it was just a matter of time before all the handouts, and "all good things must come to an end" !!! Hawaii anyone !!!

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A Taker

10:55 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Noreen - you couldn't be more wrong! It's going to be a 20 day vacation.

Rob

3:35 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Sarah - "this isn't about the President"? How does he get the free pass? I can't imagine you really believe that.

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BD

6:22 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I suggest we cut most, if not all government pension plans - - there is no reason why government (state and local government) employees can retire early with taxpayer funded pensions, when most working people have to saving up themselves. Obviously the wealthiest of American should contribute, but even at a higher tax rate they cannot remotely fund the debt level the current and prior governments have accummulated. Alas, we have to cut everthing that can be cut starting with public pensions, entitlement programs, support for illegals, etc. There is not a single way out of this.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

9:22 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Saul,

You will not have paid nearly as much into Social Security and Medicare as you are likely to receive - a basic problem.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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saul glick

9:32 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Maybe i misread your statement. i have paid a lot into these two funds. 50 years worth. Speak for yourself, Rev.

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Joe Beckmann

10:04 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Dearest Rev Pimperton,
Where is your church so those who agree with you can worship....?

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david mokal

1:21 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Many in my day never lived to collect their social. Plus the Government stole from it to pay off deficets.

saul glick

9:29 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Gee, Rev. Pimperton, I know that. That is why i am in favor of letting me invest my own social security and medicare deductions as I choose to. And when i croak, i can pass my invested earnings to my heirs.
I get it Rev.

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Dave Gray

9:37 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

This is not your country anymore. It exists solely for the benefit of the wealthy, and the middle class is the casualty. Pretty clever actually - they get us arguing amongst ourselves while they bleed us dry. Within 10 years it will be the haves and the have nots - no middle class at all. When that happens, as history has shown over and over and over, the only way out will be with guns.

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Bill. S

10:56 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I agree with Dave Gray. (to some extent) and I think it is exactly what obama wants to see. It is his vision. No more middle. Hit the top earning "folks". they in turn take it out on the middle which will turn the middle into the poor. He knows that he can not turn all of the current have nots into haves because they often times dont want to even help themselves. Take from the middle, turn them into have nots and we are all equal. Just what he wants

saul glick

9:38 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

And one last thought for all of you. This is, i believe the third time, that the Bush tax cuts are coming into play. Now it has been renamed "The Fiscal Cliff".
Nothing has changed since the first debate 3 years ago, and nothing is going to change now.
Do you really think anything is going to change?
Obamacare is going to screw you all, and you don't even know what is going to happen to and your jobs..
You have no idea what you voted for.

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Maureen

11:11 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I am in total agreement with Saul Glick. This whole mess is absolutely beyond belief. It has to be that some people just "don't get it". Maybe they don't read the newspaper or watch the news. I work for a physician who has been saying for the past year, after researching Obamacare thoroughly that it is going to be the downfall of the medical field as we know it in this country. It will have nothing but a disastrous effect on how we receive medical care, surgery, hospital tests, higher insurance premiums, etc., etc., and physicians will not be able to afford to run their practices. We have been known to have the best medical system in the world. People need to wake up, and get educated on what is going on in this country, because millions of people do not have a clue! It is so sad, as this has always been the most respected and strongest country in the world. Other countries have looked up to us, and all of that is changing. What is even sadder is that people are not paying attention to what is going on. Companies are not going to pay out increased premiums for their emplohyees. They won't absorb the cost. There will be layoffs, benefit cuts, hiring freezes, full-time cut to part-time work, salary freezes, etc., etc. Why can't people see that by going after the rich, it's the middle/lower class that will bear the brunt of it. Thus, more unemployment!

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Alicia de la Garza

11:28 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

perhaps you should "wake up, and get educated." we have the highest per capita spending on health care in the world, yet some of the worst outcomes in the developed world.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:03 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Saul: you said- " Obamacare is s going to screw you all."? This is coming from someone that is getting Medicare from the government. Forget what you put in; it's not about you. In Obamacare, 32 million uninsured Americans will get the opportunity to go on a market exchange and BUY affordable healthcare insurance. The private sector has decades to figure out how to cover them and failed because they were not making enough money. They did not insure seniors over 65 because that is where all the costs are; elderly illnesses are expensive,so the government ( Democrats) had to step in with Medicare. the Republicans would tell you to pound sand and get a private policy because you are a "taker".
that is why we had an election . The smart people got it

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Tyler Jozefowicz

6:32 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Sau;: there you go again. the topic is the fiscal cliff and remedies, not psycho predictions about Obamacare, given you won't be affected because you have socialist Medicare. how about we cut your Medicare?

Mark

9:43 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

Liberals are mathematically illiterate. Their feckless leaders have turned this country into a Communist state. Currently you work half the year for the state.
Soon you won't receive a paycheck. It will go directly to the radical racist in the White House and he'll send you back an allowance.

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mickey mouse

10:29 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

I have read all this, YOU people have no idea what is really going on.......1st Business will steal from themselves to beat taxes. There are plenty of ways. 2nd Democrats have started a black market, pretty soon everyone will have cash deals to beat taxes. Example ....Call a roofer for your roof, say he wants 10k, you offer him 9 k. The deal is made he pays his people cash materials thru the business he pockets 8 k cash. Move to the next job gets paid with check to his business, that pays the materials on the last job.....so on and so on..........at the end of the year he pockets 80k cash. The business runs a loss......BANG NO TAXES.

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mickey mouse

10:30 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

you cannot beat up business owners they run the country.

Alicia de la Garza

11:11 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

math:
Extending all expiring tax provisions other than the cut in the payroll tax and indexing the AMT for inflation—except for allowing the expiration of lower tax rates on income above $250,000 for couples and $200,000 for single taxpayers—would boost real GDP by about 1¼ percent by the end of 2013. That effect is nearly as large as the effect of making all of those changes in law and extending the lower tax rates on higher incomes as well (which CBO estimates to be a little less than 1½ percent, as noted above), primarily because the budgetary impact would be nearly as large (and secondarily because the extension of lower tax rates on higher incomes would have a relatively small effect on output per dollar of budgetary cost).
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43694

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Disgusted

11:43 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012

A-Taker...you couldn't be more wrong yourself. You corrected Noreen, and you had the facts wrong. It is a 21 day vacation from December 17 thru January 6. In fact, our wonderful caring President will have the vacation on his personal twitter account. Seeing as so many Americans have had such a bad year, financially, etc., we will all be able to follow their activities in Hawaii. It will be called "the 2012 Obama Hawaii Vacation". We can put on Hawaiian music, and pretend we are there!(you can find this online if you type in Obama Hawaii vacation). This is sick stuff, but unfortunately true!

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Mike G.

1:05 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Oh for Christ's sake, shut up about the vacation. Such a trite thing to complain about.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:13 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Well deserved vacation, after working for 14 hours a day for the last 10 months. Bush took a 1000 days vacation, and managed to start 2 wars , relax while 911 was being planned, in Crawford. the fiscal cliff is Congress; Obama talked to republicans ; they are too stubborn to act for the country. BTW , Congress is on vacation , too.
Sour grapes?

Robert L Homeyer

6:05 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The country is broke. The Bush tax cuts were there to help stimulate the economy. They need to expire. Congress decided on automatic budget cuts because they could not agree on finer cuts. They need to happen. We need to go over the fiscal cliff. It will not be fun and we will all take a hit but we need to correct the course before it is too late. We are all in this boat together.

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AHM

7:14 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

We could use a politition reform. Anyone who is getting or going to get a pension convicted of a crime in office should automatically lose their pensions. We ahve one here in Somerville Bounomo(spelling) getting a ppension after stealing from us. Don't know how many convicted ones we are paying out to, but their has to be a few bucks there.

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Anna Bucciarelli

7:41 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Mike G ... it is not "trite" when you consider how many folks have had to give up away vacations for stay-cations in their back yards (if they are even that fortunate to have a yard) because lost jobs, payroll cuts, etc.; M-Mouse .. I agree with you, there are myriad ways to get around taxes. Saul, your points are well stated and have merit; Maureen, I think your doc is correct, healthcare will bring more problems than we can now imagine, never mind what it will cost in raised taxes; Bridget and Alicia, not fair to make uncomplimentary comments because you disagree; BD, I am completely in agreement re: Gov't pensions and healthcare benefits, they should be STOPPED; Tyler, the "rich" pay their share as law permits and to think that if their share increases it will be more than a drop in the bucket is delusional & the blame rests not only with the R's but the D's as well for their inability to meet on common ground for common good; Sarah, the buck stops at the P's desk, it IS about him in the end; Brandon, some entitlements are an issue, not all, I doubt much will be seriously addressed on that issue; Rob, great idea re: retirement age for Gov't. employees, but don't hold your breadth; and just who was it that came up with the figure of $250,000/year/household as "high income"? True, it is substantial for some but considering the costs today, it is just about making ends meet for most. Just a few of my thoughts ... no comments necessary.

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Alicia de la Garza

8:51 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

there's a huge difference between disagreeing with someone and calling someone out for embracing an idea that is a demonstrable fantasy. the non-partisan congressional budget office crunched the numbers and determined that the ACA would actually reduce the deficit over the coming decade. that is what they do, their raison d'etre. but no, i should trust the unqualified opinions of alarmists like maureen. what are her credentials? she works for a physician.

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Bill. S

11:14 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Alicia,
I am not so sure about Maureen being an alarmist.(even if she is saul glick) Doctors know the health care system and health insurance better than anyone, this is what they do. They have to work with in the guidelines of what ever health insurance you carry. If the doctor that she works for tells her this is what could happen, I tend to believe it to be possible. Again all part of what obama wants. If there are poor who can not afford the same quality health insurance that I have, then thats just not fair, We need to take mine away and give us all equal care. Even if it is crap (obama care)

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Arthur DeLuca

11:54 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

What if credit cards were eliminated? Then people could no longer buy things they couldn't afford. When you take out a mortgage to buy a home, the bank is protected from you defaulting because they have the home as collateral. If you can't pay off, they don't lose. When someone defaults on their credit card, the bank has no guarantee of payment.

Now take that common sense approach and force the Government to do the same; not spend more than they take in. Whether Democrat or Republican; in the last 30 years no President has managed this other than Bill Clinton. Maybe the solution is to elect Hillary Clinton President and she can chek with her hibby on how he did it, then do the same thing. Four years is a long time to wait, but do you really think any of the infighting clowns we have in charge now will be able to do as much before then?

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Mike G.

1:52 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Yeah, it's a trite and non-consequential thing to pick on for a situation you couldn't possibly comprehend.

If you were working essentially on-call 24-7/365 for 4 years straight at least, I'm sure you'd be here ranting and raving about how you don't get any days off.

Pick on policies, pick on tangible, actual things that are meaningful, but don't be a hypocrite.

saul glick

8:07 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

AHM. Thanks for the clarification on entitlements. The entitlement crowd does not know that they are the entitlers.
The gimmee crowd is electing these politicians, and they are not going to cut their handouts. This country is headed down a dangerous path.
As one political talking head stated recently, "If i were the republicans, i would vote "present" and let this leader take us to where he wants to take us."
Not a bad idea.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:20 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Saul: the only problem with that is that Congress controls the purse strings according to the Constitution , and the President's role [according to the Constitution] is to sign or veto laws within 10 days . That is it as far as the Constitution goes. The big O has his pen ready. So take it up with Congress.

Iron Mike

8:08 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

This is a self-inflicted wound.

All of you who voted for Obama – some of you TWICE, - and all of you who kept returning Fat Teddy, Lurch and our Shameful TEN to Congress – you ALL added to the so-called 'Fiscal Cliff'.

You ALL KNEW these were irresponsible SpendoCrats! You knew they had no intentions of EVER balancing a Federal Budget or reducing our Federal Debt.

You KNEW they were buying votes with new 'entitlement handouts' – including education for illegals.

So while the term 'Fiscal Cliff' is a made-up term of our 21st Century Yellow Journalists – we are GOING BROKE.

AND, Y-O-U just re-elected the most incompetent team available anywhere to fix it.

AND, - you NEVER CONSIDERED that ~ maybe ~ Obama doesn't WANT to fix it?

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Daniel DeMaina

10:48 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

One clarification Mike: the term "fiscal cliff" was not made-up by journalists, but coined by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke earlier this year and quickly became a popular colloquialism, like "Obamacare" for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/11/21/worst-metaphor-of-2012-fiscal-cliff

Sam

8:09 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The tax issue is a joke. It all comes down to spending. Unless this government reduces its spending dramatically nothing changes. Unfortunately like any form of government, reducing itself never happens. Taxes are always the answer.

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Anna Bucciarelli

8:20 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Tom ... Correct, spending like drunken sailors is the issue. From what I've read the past days, the offers made by all the President's men are no different today that in the past (not only my interpretation) ... so what's to be done? The problem is so large ... I fear that we are genuinely incapable of resolving all of the issues and will truly fall off the cliff. And what then?

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:23 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Tom: name your cuts. Not petty stuff either. Interested in hearing from you. put some $$$ next to the suggested cuts

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Sam

3:10 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Cut the entire Dept of Ed- Savings $71 billion. Cut every other department by 15%- savings $670 billion Cut the Defense Dept by 15%- savings 100 million. Cut the Dept of Health and Human services another 10%- savings 80 billion. Hows that for a start. Now if you want to raise taxes on the top 2% go right ahead but these cuts needs to be included

saul glick

8:13 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

What i find amazing is this. I watch PMSNBC, sometimes, and i can't believe that these people are in agreement with this president? I mean, these people are not stupid people, and they are paid a lot of money to talk about this stuff, but do they really believe this country is stable? I really think they are paid to say the lovey dovey things about Obama, and if you paid them a few million more they would say the opposit on fox news they would do it.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:25 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Saul: I feel the same way about FOX news. think they are actually" fair and balanced"? Of course not. FOX is a arm of the Republican party.

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Arthur DeLuca

12:00 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Does anyone actually investigate and report on what is actually happening any more? I have found far too many "news reporters" to be merely actors reading the press releases handed out to the media by the companies themselves. These reprts are at times incomplete. A good journalist would notice this and fill in the missing parts (see this happy many times when the MBTA increases fares. The reporters list only the changes they are given - have at times missed noticing the T failed to include the price increase for one category of T-pass. No one caught it).

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

8:16 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The ultimate vendor of hypocrisy remains the Boston Globe. For years they have complained about a lack of moderate Republicans in Congress, and yet they endorse Pocahontas Warren. Massachusetts gets what it deserves, but a few of us who are conscious and thinking will suffer.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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saul glick

8:17 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

BRIDGET BISHOP is really adding a lot to this conversation, isn't she?
And Bridge? I could care less who you are, honestly.
Please stick to correcting spelling and grammar errors, because that's all you have left. Well, there is one card left for you to play. I am waiting for it, Bridge.

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Paul Tress

8:20 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Over fifty comments and not mentions looking at the military. Why do we spend more protecting Europe than the Europeans themselves? Same with Japan. We are building weapon systems based on an old doctrine, rather than concentrating on cyberwarfare and control of exoatmosphere.
Finally, can someone explain if the deductions made from my pay check and by my employer for me for a payroll tax to a specific fund with sole use for Social Security payments is an entitlement?
Watch how those of us who saved into 401Ks, 403Bs, Roths, etc. will be taxed on this in the future.
Reality is all have a lowered amount of disposable income since it's time to pay the piper.

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Iron Mike

8:28 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

You're right about one thing Paul, the government has assumed 'ownership' of OUR Social Security deposits, - and is now calling OUR OWN $$$ - an 'entitlement'.

Jimmy Carter helped that along when he decreed that foreigners who'd never paid in a dime could collect. For them it did become an 'entitlement'.

But for me, having paid in MY $$ since I was 14,...how DARE they say it is now an entitlement? Particularly since all those years I was self-employed – I paid in BOTH halves.

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Anna Bucciarelli

8:37 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Paul .. I am concerned by your comments re: the military ... that area may be one of the first that people find fault with. In my opinion our military strength is of the utmost importance and I think you may just be mistaken when it comes to cyberwarfare, I think we are involved in every aspect of defense. I don't know what "exoatmosphere" is, would appreciate your educating me on this. I do know for certain that relaxing, reducing our military exposure in the world just may be an error in judgement. I think we have lost enough credibility throughout the world as it is and to risk further would be a mistake. There is always talk about this topic and always present have been the hawks and doves. Fact is (my thought) that having a strong military and presence is essential to our well being, as much as having a secure economy.

Explanations for deductions for taxes on SS will never be adequately explained and I cannot understand the term "entitlement" when it comes to it or to Medicare since we pay for it all seriously throughout our working lives. You just may be right re: future taxing of retirement accounts ... I think it just may come to that one day.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:29 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Answer: military industrial complex. and Romney wanted to restore the Cold War against Russia again. Dump money into defense contractors for weapons the military do not want , to pay off defense company political contributors. His plan was : it would create jobs [on useless weapons]. Glad the worm lost.

Robert L Homeyer

8:31 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Iron Mike - I totally agree. It is our money If we put in, it is not an entitlement. Anyone who gets anything out of the govt without contributing then it is an entitlement and I for one do not agree with it.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

10:41 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Robert: then deduct 60 million Americans on Social Security and Medicare from the Republican definition of "takers", and get the definition down to 30%. Might as well deduct, military pensions,military families, federal pensions, VA hospital care, Tri-care and get it down to 25%. That leaves Medicaid( 75% are children under 12 years, disabled , and elderly in nursing homes paid for by the state). How many REAL "takers"? Get rid of the fraud then and the medical suppliers, corrupt doctors , and seniors going for unnecessary visits.
As far as Social Security goes , if your combined income is less than $25,000, you pay NO federal takes. Looks like some "takers' there. Might as well add in Millionaires and corporations that pay NO taxes after all the deductions

saul glick

8:54 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I agree Robert. But obama and deval give it to the gimmees for votes. It's that simple.
It really is that simple.

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stevieB

9:01 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I think its funny that 58 percent don't pay ANY federal taxes but many of them want to tax the rich more so they can continue to get their fake disability checks, their welfare checks bc they have 5 kids by 4 different men and their 2 year unemployment checks. Obama has created a gimme gimme culture and its not changing anytime soon..would live the rich to just consolidate, rake all their money and leave. Then all the freeloaders would be in a tizzy...look at the worst run states in country...California, Michigan, Nevada etc..all democratic run..love it..this country is going down and the gimme culture won't stop..just get yours!

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A Taker

9:09 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Obama did not create the "gimme" culture, but he sure is hell-bent on perpetuating it.

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Arthur DeLuca

12:05 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The sad truth is that even if we were to totally eliminate the Welfare program and pay out NOTHING - this would be but a drop in the bucket towards fixing the problem. The Government wastes much more money running things the way they do. Let's get an efficiency expert to look at Government and suggest ways to streamline it. then let the people take those suggestions, get signatures to put these on a ballot (You don't think the Govt will actually put ti forth on their own, do you?) and make it a BINDING resolution that they change to the new system. This will have to be ratified state by state. it will be a long process but the goal is worth the effort.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

1:13 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

steveB: the majority of the "takers' are in the Red States; the Blue states contribute more to the federal govt than they receive. A lot of discussion about the "takers" here, without identifying the 47%. when you do , you find, Social security and medicare recipients comprise the majority make-up of the 47% "takers". but those so-called "takers" , don't think they are takers. If true, then reduce the 47%, and quit quoting it.

saul glick

9:01 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I don't care what you think of George W., but when he did this tax cut early in his presidency, he put a sunset provision on it. Could this be one of the most brilliant moves in the history of politics? He put the incoming administration, right behind the 8 ball.
Nice going Mr Bush

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True Blue

9:21 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The only feasible way out of this mess is to drastically reduce spending at every level. Hence, a lower standard of living for everyone. This will be a tough pill to swallow in today's environment of entitlements and consumerism. Higher taxes are not the answer. Already half of the population does not pay any taxes.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

10:10 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Joe,

We worship here at Our Lady of Perpetual Misery (or is it Motion) and you and welcome to join the congregation.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Tyler Jozefowicz

1:24 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Joe: the Rev., phony name!. the jokes on you. I worship at the Church of What's Happening Now, I'm E. Tyler Jozefowicz III. BTW: Jesus Christ was a Community Organizer, not a CEO, and threw the money lenders out of the Temple, unmarried, hung around with 12 guys and a prostitute, had a brother James, same virgin mother.

david mokal

10:39 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Get rid of the Medicare Fraud. Thats where the biggest chunk of change is. Get rid of the free rides to the Meth Clinics. No more Medicare and social security to Drug Users. Thats where another big chunk of change is going. Social Security and Medicare was designed for people who worked all their lives. Not Drug and Alchohol addicts. No more paid free abortions. You want to kill your babies its on you not us. Pull the plug on the abusers not the blind and the sick and needy. Get the Crack heads out of the Elderly Housing they dont belong there. Thats a big savings right there. Poor Greeeema got to live next to a Crack Head sacred for her life. There should not be any raises in taxes for anyone if they stop feeding into the abuses that are going on in the Broken System.

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Who Me?

11:06 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

We have met the enemy and it is our own "Leaders"
This is sadly but one of many examples of how our Government spends money like drunken Sailors on shore leave.
Yet, we must get those greedy ole timers on Medicare......

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20221201report_boards_a_bad_bet_predicts_commission_will_run_up_nearly_20m_deficit/srvc=home&position=4

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Iron Mike

4:38 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Please show some respect for Sailors! Even when drunk they are spending the money that THEY EARNED!

By contrast - your kleptocracy spendocrats are spending YOUR money.

When Sailors have spent it all, they stagger back to the docks and sign on for another cruise - to EARN more money...

When your Taxocrats have spent it all, - they use YOUR CREDIT to borrow more from China.

Jennifer

11:10 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Shame on those who voted these people into office. TWICE

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Cindy T.

5:16 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Jennifer..I know, can you believe that when he couldn't completely destroy this country after four failed years, there were actually people out there who gave him another four years to finish the job??? It is mind boggling that so many people do not pay attention to nor understand what is going on in the country, and what the issues are all about.

Who Me?

11:24 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

You know...you just can't make this stuff up. Millions upon Millions of Taxpayer dollars are being wasted, thrown away, on countless Government programs.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-100000-to-teach-teen-girls-condom-negotiation/article/2514683#.ULoum-9rSx3

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Who Me?

11:45 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

First, let's all remember that our own Governor does not represent the taxpayers or the working class in any manor, shape or form.
Second, let's all remember that initially our Governor refused to acknowledge that ANY money was being spent on illegals.
Third, it's highly unlikely that the half a billion is the real number.
And yet...we simply must pay more in taxes, we don't have a spending problem.

http://www.cltg.org/cltg/clt2012/12-06-15.htm

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Who Me?

11:50 am on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I know that each month, as I balance my check book, I need to ask my wife "honey, why was there an extra 12 Million passing through the account" damn...it's a tough problem to manage.

And yet...he gets re-elected.....how is that f&8^%$#g possible.

People get the Government they deserve.

http://www.howcouldtierneynotknow.com/

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Who Me?

12:12 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Enough already with the evil Bush did it. You live in Mass? You vote in Mass? Well.. then look in the damn mirror and accept your share of the blame instead of pointing the finger at others.

http://www.stateintegrity.org/massachusetts_story_subpage

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Cecil Moore

4:35 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Harry, thank you for the articles. Very informative.

Anna Bucciarelli

12:25 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Tyler, you are so angry all the time it's hard to have a cogent conversation with you. You have quick answers to everything and everyone who expresses an opinion other than yours. The military IS important ... try going without it for a bit and see what happens. There are so many other places to cut spending that wouldn't endanger us. I am not at all saying that there is not some abuse, there certainly has been and is, but I blame that on whoever monitors the situations revolving around contracts and why even talk about Romney, he's a none-issue now. How is it you know what the military needs or wants in weaponry ... do you work for one of the defense contractors and can speak from personal knowledge? Just curious. And, relax a bit ... we all know who is in office, no need to keep reminding us. Now, I know for sure you will come at me for this comment ...right?

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Tyler Jozefowicz

1:36 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Anna: trying my best to ignore you. Suggest you ignore me and quit misrepresenting me. I am not addressing you in any way and there are no replies by me to your " opinions'. I don't want to waste the ink on mischaracterization- " so angry", "quick answers", " "talk about Romney", " relax a bit". All personal attacks by you. No one said the military was not important- I didn't. One of the rules here is to not get personal in anegative way. Since you disagree with my comments/opinions, does not me i am "angry". It's not me, it's my liberal opinions that you really take issue with. Why? because you do not call a few other total conservative whacko that publish here as " angry". Deal?

david mokal

12:29 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Republicans and Democrats allways talking about the economy's Balloon will burst. Just talk. Both sides have no solution nor will they even try. Veto Veto Veto thats all they know how to do.But when the family balloon bursts and you feel the pain of a hungery stomache and see your children wither away,your homless thats were all hell will break loose. A hungry stomache has no conscience. Both sides are to blame. Greed,Greed and more Greed. When we elect these people all that in their minds is how much they will be able to fill their pockets in the time they have then get out n run.

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Anna Bucciarelli

12:40 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

BTW Tyler ... not 14 hrs./day working for the past 10 months, more like 24 hrs./day in campaign mode for the past 4 years.

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Anna Bucciarelli

11:12 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

And I might add, Tyler, most of us pay for our own vacations our of our own pockets. We don't have the luxury of such a fringe benefit in our daily lives.

Mark

12:46 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

First thing that needs to happen is ALL Congress Critters both locally and nationally need to take a 25% haircut! Salary & Pension. Then they need to have the same benefits as the citizens they represent.
After that shut off ALL tax dollars to other countries. Then shut off All tax dollars to Illegal Aliens. Then shut all the tax loopholes to corporations.
After that offer incentives to companies who return overseas operations to the United States.
If your on Welfare or Unemployment and want our tax dollars, you need to work to help rebuild our infrastructure.
Then our representatives can only spend what they currently receive in tax revenue. Balance the budget. Everyone else has too!
After that then we can talk Medicare and Social Security.

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Paul Tress

1:15 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Exoatmosphere in the military sense means command and control of space assets, such as satellites and weapon systems. We need a space based missile defense and laser weapons in space to guarantee our military supremacy. We need to worry about fighting the next war and not think in terms of a massive ground war like WWII.

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Chris Daley

1:55 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Cut food stamps FOR downtown food/souplines instead. Cut unneccesary military like 179 mid-air fuel tankers by Boeing at $35 BILLION, do we need 179 of them? Next, politicians use money for getting elected-how about them chipping in? Kerry& Warren huge salaries and purses-they serve us, put your money into the problem! Illegal immigrants still illegal-join us for the benefits or get out. Citizens first. Competition in marketplace=lower prices. Big Oil has money to employ thousands, millions to build new refineries, pipelines, storage, and drilling. North to Alaska, Palin got it right. McCain wouldn't do it, lost in '08. Investors w earned wealth have a right to capital gains without this vendetta on the rich. Stop attacking the engine of the economyTHAT'S WHERE JOBS ARE TOO. Dont cut the hand that feeds ya. Work with China, not trade barriers; oppose Russia who supply N. Korea and Iran, end the appeasement; fight to win wars, not elections w public opinion/approval-seeking(Rice and Bengazi). 9/11 and Saddam in Kuwait REQUIRED WAR. Or they do it again? State gov'ts need to pick up slack too maintaining their own Interstates and National Parks in partnership w Feds. Shut down Green T line entirely using buses instead, overhaul T w Patrick's salary and all of them clowns in Boston, again SERVE US or never volunteer, what a concept? Yes charter schools, privatize social security by 2016, end doctor/hospital corruption in medicare.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

2:40 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Chris: too much to comment on here. agree with some, disagree with others. One comment on the economic analysis: the "job creators "got tax cuts for 11 years now , and have not created any jobs; they ship plenty of jobs overseas, though, for the cheap labor, destroy the middle class. Don't tell me it's the regulations and corporate taxes either. It's the cheap labor ; fix that , and you fix the economy. Get rid of all the regulations and make the corporate tax rate zero, and the Romney-types will still ship overseas for the cheap labor.

Concerned Resident

1:57 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

The root of the problem is that we've allowed the cost of government to grow when times are good and tax revenues high (does anyone remember the Clinton years?). Problem is, when recession hits we have no way to scale back the cost of government.
All this stuff about illegal aliens and entitlement programs is all just partisan smoke to deflect the masses from looking for the real problems. One of them is this:
Something like a third or more of the budget goes to the government. Your average federal leader has a small army of support to actually do the work - prepare and read the bills, plan his vacations (ehr "fact finding missions"), answer phones, reply to email. They've got big budgets for travel and to send you junk mail about what a great job they're doing. Then there's the overhead: special pension plans, health plans, perks. Let them pay for their own car and gas. I do. Let them pay for their gym membership and pay for at least 2/3 of their health insurance. I do. Do away with gov't pensions. They can have the 401K type personal plans that the rest of us get. Any matching contributions should be limited to the national average match across all jobs categories.
Then, take a hard look at all of the government agencies with their bloated staffs, overhead expenses, and budgets.
When I see some government-level, self-directed belt tightening, then I'll be happy to talk about how far into the middle classes any tax increases should go.

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Patty

3:29 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

BTW the cap for Social Security contributions is $116,000, meaning if you make that amount you pay no more into SS than someone who makes $1 million. Also, when Social Security was established in the 1930's the retirement age was set at 62 when the average life expectancy was only 59, therefore more people were paying into it than would ever collect. Now people are living into their eighties and still collecting. My understanding is that the money contributed in person's working lifetime is paid out to that person within 4 years after retirement. Any thing after that is an entitlement.

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Roseanne

8:35 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

I understand what you are trying to say Patty. The only thing that bothers me about this is...we have illegals getting handouts, some people who don't qualify on welfare getting anything and everything they need, and many people I am sure collecting unemployment rather than going out to work. Particularly the illegals are taken care of, and you're griping about people their 80's, most of whom have worked their entire lives and never got a dime they didn't work for. I say, take care of the elderly in this country. THEY DESERVE IT AND THEY HAVE EARNED IT.!

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Patty

1:34 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

I am not saying we shouldn't take care of our elderly. All I was trying to do was clear up a misconception about how SS is funded. The main problem with SS is that it was not set up to be be used for disability payments for people with issues like ADD. Now that SS is cracking down on that issue children are being diagnosed as bipolar so they will qualify for disability. Let's take a good look at that abuse of the system.

Bruce

8:20 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Anyone who voted to keep Osama/Obama in office for another term, gets what they deserve. He is single-handedly sending this country to hell in a hand basket. I say round up ALL the illegals and ship them back where they came from! The POS is the one who is taking this country down, impeach him. Still would love to know how a person not born in this country was elected president!

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Patty

1:38 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Let's start with the illegal issue.. you obviously don't know or don't want to know that more illegals are being deported under Obama than ever before. and please, let's get over this birther issue. If you can't deal with Obama as president because of his policies don't cloud it with bs about his being born in Kenya. I'm sure 51 years ago his white mother would have quessed that there was a chance her African-American son would someday become president so she should falsify a birth announcement. It is complete nonsense!!!!

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Tyler Jozefowicz

2:43 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Juice: where was Obama born?? How and when did he sneak into the country?

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Kent

7:51 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Great comment and a question that all his followers try to dismiss by calling those who dont agree with them names.

Karen Barden

9:07 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

315 million Americans....315 million different opinions....on everything. It's no wonder nothing gets done.

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Mark

9:11 pm on Saturday, December 1, 2012

Obama's Welfare State - When Work, Ambition & Initiative is Discouraged!

The somewhat startling reality that "the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045."
While mathematics is our tool - as opposed to the mathemagics of some of the more politically biased media who did not like our message - the painful reality in America is that: for increasingly more Americans it is now more lucrative - in the form of actual disposable income - to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work.
There is an earnings vacuum of around $40k in which US workers are perfectly ambivalent toward inputting more effort since it does not result in any additional incremental disposable income. (Much Like a Union Employee) With the ongoing 'fiscal cliff' battles over taxes and entitlements, this is a problematic finding, since - as a result - it is the US government that will have to keep funding indirectly this lost productivity and worker output (via wealth redistribution).
For every 1.65 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance
For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government.
Via ZeroHedge.com

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Dave Gray

1:00 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

"For every 1.25 employed persons in the private sector, 1 person receives welfare assistance or works for the government."

That includes teachers, police, fire, and the military. Well we can sure do without them, right? How about this - of 250 million males in the US under 40, only 99% have two testicles.

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Dan D.

5:52 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

OK, Dave, all the government employees are teachers, police, fire and the military.
How about this: Eliminate entire departments that have not been effective? Energy, Fed Ed departments, "War On Poverty" departments, etc. By eliminate, I mean close them down, fire the people who work there. (By the way, NONE of those I just mentioned have ever accomlished their goals).
While we're at it. eliminate all government pensions and health care plans that are not Obama care. 401Ks and social security, same rules as the rest of us. Also, reduce every remaining department expenditures by 5%. All of them. And not the "reduce their budget by 5% BS, actual expentiture reductions compared to last year. Any one know what all that would save us?

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Dan D.

5:55 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

While I'm at it, how about EVERYONE pays some taxes. Minimum $100 per year, whether you earned $0 outside government assistance, $1000, or whatever. Everyone gets the benefits of defense, transportation, food safety, etc. shouldn't everyone pay SOMETHING? If a large segment doesn't feel the pain of government spending and the subsequent taxation, that segment has no reason NOT to vote for tax and spend yahoos.

Who Me?

5:37 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Massachusetts will be back up to the 1st or 2nd highest over-all taxed State by the time Pa"trick" leaves office.
All who have voted over the years to keep a corrupt one party system in place must accept their share of the blame for the mess we live in.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20221202were_all_getting_taken_for_a_ride/srvc=home&position=3

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Tyler Jozefowicz

6:39 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Who me?: the herald? Rupert Murdock's Herald?

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

8:31 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Many Massachusetts residents must feel better after the election. Our state hackerama was only a localized Northeastern thing. Now we join the great national hackerama... an affirmative action governor led by an affirmative action president. Everything should be okay, as there really is no limit to other people's money.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Iron Mike

9:31 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Well Rev, several 'knowledgeable' Democrat ladies told me at standouts and debates this season that our $16.2 Trillion Federal Debt and our $103 Billion State Debt 'WEREN'T REAL'!

They said: '...the Government can ALWAYS PRINT MORE MONEY!'

Yep! They're here, they vote, and they breed!

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Kent

7:52 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

They go after everyone's money except their own and Kerry's wife.

Raj

10:56 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

How about the President, members of Congress, and their staff members and security do not get paid until they pass a balanced budget. A freeze on government hiring, and how about the President canceling his upcoming 20 day (4 million dollar) vacation in Hawaii.

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Iron Mike

11:11 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Carefull Raj - with ideas like that the Black SUVs will be at you house in no time...

The King needs his vacation and golf time...after all, he's worked SO HARD to get Black Unemployment up to 14.3% [35.4% for young Blacks]....

And he needs to rest up so he can be fresh for a new round of nation-wide campaign flights on Air Force One....

And soon enough it will be time for Princess Michelle to take the girls to Vail again for their annual sky trip...

Royalty must keep up appearances...

Joe Beckmann

11:15 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

How nice it is to see that you, in Medford, really do wear tall white hoodies. Glad not to live there.

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Anna Bucciarelli

11:20 am on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Iron Mike ...and you be careful too ... your words do give a bad vibe, witness Joe Beckmann's comment.

Joe ... FYI, all who comment here are not from Medford.

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Iron Mike

12:21 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

TY Anna. After the post I put up on RRB a week ago Saturday “Just Speculating: What Are The Chances?” I was SURE they'd come – Black Helicopters too...but they didn't...

Guys like Beckmann are predictable. He's an aging Somerville teacher – a left-over over-educated campus hippy looking for relevance in his life. So anybody who disagrees with HIS world view must be a Klansman. Gee, is that reverse-racism?

Beckmann – and those like him are trapped in the system they created. They are the overseers on the Democratic Voter Plantation. All his high-falutin' degrees, and his old age lifestyle is tied to a teacher's pension, - and social security, - and ObamaCare. No wonder he seethes with envy at the rich...

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

2:19 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

The use of the term 'black helicopters' must mean the dialogue has taken a racist turn.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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paul surette

7:20 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

"One Adam-12....see Pimperton, the man ....over"

saul glick

2:25 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

I am waiting for it Rev. It's coming soon. Washington liberal politicians are using the word regularily in defense of Susan Rice, and Eric Holder, Two more unaccountable politicians.
When all is said, and the proof is out, and the liberals are beat to a pulp, there is only one word left for liberals to use.
Anyone?

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Kent

7:37 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

I can think of a few but they violate the rules here. Certainly not the comment below

Joe Beckmann

2:44 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Ohhh, Iron Mike, hardly "seething," much more like gloating over idiots who don't - or didn't - know how to organize when it counted to collect when it's useful. I did, and, apparently, you didn't. Awwwww, you guys in those Klan hats don't realize they were once used as dunce caps.

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Anna Bucciarelli

3:17 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Tyler ... all subject to interpretation .. I thought I was being civil.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

3:35 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Never had a ponytail, composting toilet, wore Birkenstocks, or taught at university. Which Democrat here can describe these experiences?

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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Dave Gray

10:20 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

No ponytail (high and tight), no composting toilet (field latrine over a slit trench or half a fifty-five gallon drum. I suppose if you left it there long enough it would compost, but diesel was used to burn it while stirring it with a paddle), went to university but didn't teach, and I have no clue what a Birkenstock is. Is it a new kind of golf club?

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Fred Oleary

9:56 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

Of al lthose htings the only one I ever had (when I was 16) was a ponytail. Of course Jesus had long hair so I assume you hate him too.

Do "rat tails" count? Or are those more GOP? Had one of those too...so maybe that makes me an Independent.

Lets not forget Reagan was a democrat for a long time so I'm surprised you write every Democrat off because a matter of taste or style (or lack thereof...sandals are just silly, and hairstyles when you are a kid are supposed to be stupid...its the only time you can pull it off). Just remember - if Conservatives had been so Orthodox about despising their fellow Americans back in the 70s, you would never have gotten your Savior. He never would have got past the primary as a RINO.

Kent

7:36 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

Preach on Reverend. You are a man who speaks the truth.

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Kent

7:39 pm on Sunday, December 2, 2012

So called Fiscal cliff on the horizon and the so called President is going on a big money vacation AGAIN. His arrogance never ceases to amaze me.

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Dan

1:14 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

i think you've missed the point of the term 'so-called'. so-called person writing a so-called comment on a so-called article appearing on a so-called website on the so-called internet.

Kent

6:41 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

Too bad common sense can't be learned.

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Fred Oleary

10:03 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

there is hope for you yet, Kent. "Never worked a day in his life"? Seriously, you can accuse Obama (and most politicians) of many distasteful things...but that is plain silly.

Yeah, I know a lot of people who can get into Harvard, and be made the head of the Harvard Law review loafing around. I did it twice back in the 80's when i was avoiding a job. Honestly, I'd like to see your definition of "work". Pumping gas? Stamping sheet metal? Takes all kinds to make this economy run my friend. If guys who work on a computer typing code all day (probably not real 'work' in your mind) didn't do their jobs you'd be living in the 70s right now - technologically and economically, because that's what's driving the growth in this country.

Come with some honest criticisms if you have them, and since there are plenty of them out there I assume you.re being lazy. Otherwise you're just a whiner.

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Ray

7:20 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

So what did Barry ever do for work?

Kent

8:38 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

Multi-million dollar vacations at the tax payers expense when the coutry is in trouble shows either a lack of common sense or arrogance. Voting for a candidate who lied about her minority status for financial gain shows NO common sense. Common sense clearly isn't the result of learning when you vote a person into office who has done nothing for America. The only good thing is Obama can never be elected again.

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david mokal

9:26 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

Geesh I still got meat and potatoes on my table,My TV works,people are out buying CHRISTMAS GIFTS,many people are donating to charitiies, whats the problem. Fiscal Cliff who made that up? No such thing.

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11:30 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

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david mokal

5:19 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Hey Andrew what are you talkin about you have 3-4 nics one person bashing on other posts. One guy is a girl. Where ya been? This is done for bashing purposes and insults.

Patty

3:38 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I love the use of the term "vacation" when it comes to the president, no matter who is in office. Unlike most of us he can't just go away and leave someone else to do his work. His work travels with him. BTW, when Romney was governor he was out of the state over 240 days in one year. Last time I checked there are only 365 days in a year.

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Joe Veno

6:11 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Patty, Yea but Romneys time away did NOT cost the tax payers MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars !

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Ray

7:19 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Romney never took a paycheck from the taxpayers he gave his salary back. Have Obama or Patrick done that?

david mokal

5:22 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Bush was on a constant Vacation all year round. My brother lives 2 miles from The Bush residents. He was on Vacation so many times he had a Hellicopter pad put in. What do ya think Maine is hellllooooooo "Vacation Land"

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Dan D.

7:20 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Have you noticed Bush is not President?

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Pat M

8:15 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Bridget we had two Bush presidents. If you don't believe me look it up, I know you know how.

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Pat M

8:27 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Aside from the standard Democrat Noise points how exactly did Bush fail with foreign policy and tax cuts? Did you mail your check back? Did you go to war? You have lots of little comments but no substance.

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Pat M

9:01 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Still no answers just comments and your little jokes that make you giggle to yourself and nobody else.

Ray

7:17 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

The Maine house was owned by Bush long prior to him being President. Bush Sr was a war hero, Ambassador to China and Director of the CIA amongst many other things so please don't even think of making a comparison to the empty suit in the White House now.

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Dave Gray

10:26 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Director of the CIA - now THERE'S a ringing endorsement!

Ray

7:45 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Oh great a comment from the spelling teacher again. So let's get this straight, only your opinion matters? Not in the real world out of the studio apartment.

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paul surette

7:46 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

For anyone looking to take advantage of the impending ObamaCare, regrading dentistry, here is a link provided by the White House:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NqqL0CnaU

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Anna Bucciarelli

6:09 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Paul ... Thanks for this ... needed a bit of levity after some of the tirades above >:)

saul glick

7:31 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Good one, Paul. Obamacare is going to make life very miserable, for millions of people. Jobs are going to be cut, and lost. Businesses are going to pass the costs on to the customer and their employees.
People have no idea what Obamacare is going to do to them. People have no idea what they voted for.

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Patricia

11:05 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I suspect those on Medicare are going to be the first to find out what Obamacare has done. You can't take 700 Billion out of funding of Medicare providers and not have it affect patient care. Not possible. I know some like to spout dem talking points, but no one has explained to me how by cutting $700b in medicare reimbursements is not going to affect the elderly. By the time we're that age, we'll be lucky if we can get a doctor. I bet starting in 2013 you'll start seeing doctors no longer accepting medicare patients.

That's just the start.

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Bob

11:33 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

Patricia, you forgot to add the additional $400 Billion cut in the Presidents "fiscal cliff" proposal.

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quasimodo

6:26 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Well, saul, I'm one of the people who have no idea what OC is going to do to me, much less to other people. SO, would you kindly tells us what kind of increases in our fed taxes is going to occur? Don't be shy, tell us the facts,... BUT not your opinion. Thanx a lot.

Gene Pinkham

9:44 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

George W. Bush didn't go on vacation to Maine. He went home to Crawford TX where his residence served as the Western White House. The White House Press Corps hated him for this. They wanted Martha's Vinyard. Do you know what your expense account looks like in Crawford Texas?

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Patricia

12:14 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I think it's safe to say, after this last election the "press" has lost any credibility it had left. They hounded Bush for his time in Crawford although he was working. Funny the pass this president gets. I like Mr. Obama and his family, I hate the way he is held up as some savior - he's not. He's got just as many faults as any other president but the press protects him and they are finally starting to admit it.

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11:44 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

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Terry Bigler

3:54 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

One of the largest parts of this is "stealing from Peter to pay Paul" selected groups have garnered significant revenue from manipulations of the tax code. This has left other parts in deficit,,an enlarging population is of no aid either..Outsourcing of jobs removed a large portion of tax revenue while tax breaks and loop holes placed conveniently for the well connected shunted the money into private hands. Again the few profited at the expense of the many..While lots of people wail about the welfare state, if there were jobs here that paid more than welfare and offered medical care in the package ,there would be a shift toward higher employment..But , those who profit from outsourcing will fight any sort of reform to their last breath.The old adage remains that you can spend yourself out of a job but you cannot borrow yourself out of debt.

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Anna Bucciarelli

4:43 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

And so, here we are again, only 3 days to the year end and no solution found by our esteemed leaders. But, then, what can we expect from that great bunch of free loaders in DC, who prescribe all manner of debts and taxes on the rest of us. I for one am thoroughly disenchanted with this entire bunch who seem to me to be totally engrossed in arguing about this and that and never getting around to the here and now for the good of we the people. I always assumed that term limits were not necessary since we have a vote to get them out, but it's just not working and I am now convinced that they have all been in power longer than necessary with little to show for it except this enormous fiscal problem which they do not care to face head-on. Insensitive and oblivious to the needs of all of us while they remain comfortable fat cats and look to a secure, taxpayer-supported retirement and healthcare. How ever did this happen? And where were we all as it was happening? The future looks grim ... yet, I am ever hopeful and still know that this is the greatest country and would not live anywhere else ...

Happy, healthy New Year all ... keep the faith.

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saul glick

7:04 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Well ,quasi. If you have a job? Your tax increase depends on the current so called "fiscal cliff" negotiations, doesn't it?
And as far as OBcare, the internet talk, and business chanells are talking about business taxes, and providing healthcare to their full time employees. And downsizing fulltime workers, to part time so as to avoid paying for coverage.
Maybe quasi, if you read what we have posted, instead of clowning around, we would take you seriously?
It soulds like you are one of the millions who are going to get screwed?
do you have a full time job?

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quasimodo

7:25 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Well, Saul, you did not answer my question, but I am not surprised.

1) The fiscal cliff has nothing to do with Obamacare, but more about the intransigence of the Republicans over the last 4 years.

2) Obamacare has nothing to do with employers switching their employees to part time in order to save money. It did not happened in Mass, and it wont happen federally, because knowledgeable business people understand, contrary to you and you uninformed ilk , that 2 part-time workers are NOT equal to a full time worker: obviously you do not run a business. Am I missing something there? If so, tell us what kind of NEW taxes will be coming when OC takes full effect. Again, FACTS, no opinions.

3) The employers now pay their employees health insurance BEFORE taxes, and it will continue to be so.

4) I have read (I'm sorry to have wasted my time) ALL of the postings, and NONE brings FACTS to the table, just unsubstantiated paranoia. If the US had a decent health policy for its citizens, like all other industrial countries, which understand that a healthy labor force is paramount to a successful and efficient economy, we wouldn't be arguing here.

5) Getting s*****d, it 's OK with me as long as I also get kissed. :~))

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saul glick

8:13 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Quasi. I know the fiscal cliff has nothing to do with OBcare. I didn't explain it further.. You are required in Mass to have healthcare, and if your employer doesn't pay a fair amount they are fined $295.00 for each employee. Something like that.
OBcare has a fine of 3k for each full time employee. No fine for part timers.
This is a link about mass health care
http://www.massresources.org/health-reform.html
as far as Businesses and OBcare, II have provided numerous links on the internet, about national chains, and OBcare, and companies with over 50 full timers. It is their opinions that they will be downsizing to part time help if this takes place in 2014
Now quasi, stand up straight, read on the internet what businesses are doing and going to do. It sounds like people like you are going to get screwed by your hero president.
Do some research on the links i provided earlier.
Just google Obamacare and full time employees.

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Bill. S

11:12 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

Quasi, you are missing something, in fact you are completely lost. The company that I work for (currently just over 200 employees) pays $6000 per employee for health insurance. This is half of the cost, we pay the other $6000. They have already made it known that they will drop the health insurance benefit once Ocare is fully implemented. Seems as though they would rather pay the $2000 per employee "tax" than $6000 for insurance. Go figure .I probably wont qualify for Ocare (not that I want it) so I will have to buy my own, sure to cost more than $6000. Thanks O. Also we have 3-4 openings that pay $40000- $60000+ but we are NOT hiring due to the expected tax increases on the "higher earning folks" (business owners). Good job creation O. Two part timers DO equal one full timer when you dont have to pay benefits. They also have no problem paying overtime to current employees to make up for the existing openings. Surprised?? Dont be, its common sense. Its ok though because O doesnt get it either

Bill. S

10:52 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012

The biggest issue with Mitt was that he could not spell out exactly what his big plans were right?? So its ok to vote for s#%t head even though we have no idea what Ocare means to us

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AHM

5:56 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Here we are with the fiscal cliff problem and the debt ceiling and our glorious leader helping out with this little gem. Hope we can post links.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2012/12/obama_hikes_pay_select_officials

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Who Me?

6:21 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Let’s look at the Federal Budget in real terms.

• U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts: $ 38,500,000,000

OK, looks impressive, however, let’s now remove 8 zeros and pretend it’s a household budget so we’ll extrapolate the numbers equally:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
* Total budget cuts so far: $38.50

So the Democrats have offered up the equivalent of a $38.50 reduction to a $21,700 household income. All they have actually offered up is a reduction in line item spending. Line item spending is a budget expense that they want but will give up, money that’s not actually in the budget and therefore not a real reduction in Government spending.

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AHM

3:41 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Even making that real easy to understand I am still not sure we can through what the big problem is here. Or maybe it's just me not liking debt.

saul glick

7:12 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Bill S. This issue is more than real. The people like Quasi, don't have to worry about this for a year. The millions of workers who voted for this nitwit, refuse to look ahead and see what their employers are able to do to them. I read, and listen each day from corporate owners about their options. They all consistently have said take the full time employee, and make them part time, to avoid OBamacare.
I listen and watch most of the day to Bloomberg, the most credible financial station in my opinion, but watch the other two biased chanells, Fox, and PMSNBC, but not much.
And these faithful workers will soon find out, that their company will screw them for their bottom line.
This issue will gain attention as the year moves on.

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saul glick

7:37 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Quasi: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/19/three-obamacare-tax-changes-start-in-12-days/

Here is something about OBcare and your taxes. Yes your medicare tax is going up starting Tuesday. There are a few other taxes on OBcare starting Tuesday also.
And these are not related to the phoney fiscal cliff.
And hunchback, do you remember what the supreme court ruled on OBAmacare? They ruled it a TAX.
You can cheerlead all you want for this nitwit. He know nothing about OBAMacare himself.
And don't drag Romney into this argument, he is not the president, Obama is. You, and millions of others, voted your jobs right out the window

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Who Me?

8:20 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012

Good day to sit back, watch, and learn. Those who are more worried about when American Idol is coming back on, or have been focused on getting folks in Tewksbury to help pay their high water bill for their green lawns, are going to get whacked upside the head in 2013 and 2014 as Socialism comes to America and we all begin the slide down the same road as Europe. California actually very close to bankruptcy already.

Remember folks, people get the Government they deserve.

https://www.newsmaxstore.com/newsletters/radar/obamacare_video.cfm?PROMO_CODE=1103A-1

Nick

7:20 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013

Happy New Year, North Reading residents have their own fiscal cliff, take a look at your property tax bill. More tax increases and no plans to reduce the cost government. We have fortune 500 companies in town that pay the same tax rate as residents, it doesn't make any sense. How can the town continue to fund public employee's pension and retirement. Why are we funding their pension at a time when the private sector has more or less done away with them.

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