Arlington Town Meeting members will vote on a bottled-water ban at a Special Town Meeting, beginning Wednesday, April 24.
The ban would prohibit the sale of single-serving bottled water. It is being proposed by three Arlington High seniors – Amy Currul, Sonia Zacher and Marina Milan – for environmental reasons.
Whether you’re one of Arlington’s 252 Town Meeting members or not, we want to know: How would you vote on the proposed bottled-water ban?
(This poll is meant to be a temperature check; it’s not scientific.)
Article 4, Bylaw Amendment, Sale of Drinking Water in Single-Serve PET Bottles
To see if the Town will vote to amend the Town Bylaws to prohibit the sale of non-sparkling, unflavored drinking water in single-serving polyethylene terephthalate (PET) bottles of 1 liter (34 ounces) or less in the Town of Arlington except in the event of an emergency; or take any action related thereto.
(Inserted at the request of Amy Currul and one hundred registered voters)
Betsy Yates
1:42 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Love the intention, but couldn't vote for the result (increased consumption of bottled sugary beverages).
jon
2:04 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
or maybe people can drink water out of a glass or reusable bottle. I have had the same bottle for years and never drink bottled water or sugary drinks.
we need to reduce our addiction to oil products including bottled water.
reduce, reuse and recycle. in that order. we don't need to fill our landfills with bottles. get rid of them.
smerls
2:28 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
@ Jon,
Good for you but that does not mean you have to impose your will on the rest of us.
Further I agree we need to reduce our addiction to oil products and if you feel passionately about it then why don't you help create an alternative to plastic bottles rather than just banning them.
Or better yet convince people not to buy them and hurt the producers bottom line rather than banning them!!
This is well intentioned but totally misguided!! As Alicia below said...enough of the nonsense already!!
Stephen
2:53 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@jon - our bottles in Arlington go into recycling, not landfills
Betsy Yates
2:15 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Jon: if the ban included all plastic vessels, I might be convinced. But eliminating bottled water and leaving the option of bottled sodas/sugary beverages confuses me.
Mike
11:09 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
You are not alone. It obviously confuses the bird brains who started this faddish crusade and are wasting the time of Arlington residents by jamming a town meeting with this nonsense.
Stephen
6:54 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
I agree with you all. And what about us parents who need to make up formula and can't buy a bottle of water to mix the powder up with when you are in town. And then leave our kids no option but to buy sugar drinks in schools and around town.
Alicia
2:22 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
This is more than unbelievable. Now that everyone, including all the kids in all the schools in Arlington, who have had soda, etc., taken out of their schools, and been convinced that water is the healthy substitute...... they want to take away the bottles that the water comes in. Let's knock it off...enough already !!!
jon
2:47 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
@smerls I don't think we need to create an alternative to bottled water. Water out of the tap, water in glasses, water in reusable bottles are all readily available.
Also if I don't "impose my will on the rest of you" mother nature will. Keep destroying the planet and we will pay. Someone has to do something. I have. You should too. And clearly you won't so maybe a ban is just what we need.
smerls
3:45 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
@Jon,
You say something has to be done about this but then you say we don't need to create an alternative?? I don't understand that logic but yet your solution is ban these things and impose your will on others. Like many other items plastic and plastic bottles have become a convenience ..maybe not a necessity but a convenience. So if we have to do something then why would we not want to come up with an alternative that actually solves the problem.
Unless there is absolutely no alternative, then I think we do need an alternative and before a ban is proposed folks should think about coming up with one.
Coco
6:15 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Great points Smerls!!
Most of us recycle. And to say that if the option to ban bottled water won't drive up soda sales is ridiculous!!!
I give these girls credit but maybe they should go after Dunkin Donuts , those Styrofoam cups aren't recyclable unlike plastic bottles.
P
8:19 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Really. You all need to calm down and focus more on your own personal lives. Don't drink from a bottle yourself. I live in arlington and its the worse place in the world. People are all natural tree hugers and I am not surprised about this. First a gas ban now this. What's next, are you going to ban people from using wrappers for food and everyone has to eat with their hands and feet. Everyone knows this is a really dumb idea but knowing arlington everyone is going to vote yes for it so. We should really focus on under aged drinking and drugs then a bottle.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
10:50 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
If you want real trouble, try drinking bottled water, while running a leaf blower, and thinking conservative thoughts in Arlington.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
TJ
12:16 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
Preach on brother , preach on.
Donald Mei
10:31 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013
While wearing a NRA hat.
Misty
7:17 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
If all the people who purchase bottled water in Arlington now need to drive out of town to purchase their bottled water( and we know they aren't driving Priuses) isn't this creating a different problem?
Educating people to make their own choices is the answer--not having the town government dictating what you can or cannot do.
Michelle Graham
7:23 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
People who are mouthing off against the ban are clearly uneducated about the chilling truth behind bottled water. Go to topdocumentaryfilms.com and watch "Flow: For Love of Water." No less than shocking. This isn't about "tree huggers" or "freedom." If you care even minimally about your children's health, you'd best inform yourself before taking a stand on this issue.
smerls
8:49 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
@Michelle the problem is not that people don't get it or are totally uninformed,
most people probably don't care or it is not at the top of their list of things to worry about, the problem is that this ban is misguided and will not really do anything to help solve the problem!!
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
11:11 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
If the truth is too chilling, don't leave the bottle in the fridge that long.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
Stephen
3:43 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@Michelle - lets worry about our children's health by getting ride of the sugar flavored water instead of the pure water.... why are you also focused on pure bottled water? don't you realize that the main ingredient in the sugary drinks is the same water that is going into the bottles that you want to ban? I am caring about my children's health.. I want them to be able to drink water. So please start your crusade at getting the sugar drinks and juices off the shelves and out of the schools. When you have achieved that, then come talk to me about bottled water.
Donald Mei
10:32 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Michelle - its about convenience. I drink tap water. But sometimes I forget to bring some with me. So I buy bottled water. Then I reuse the bottles. Then they are eventually recycled. But all this is irrelevant.
What is relevant is that this is not an appropriate use of government.
fran hering
5:30 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
How about MONSANTO?????
marianne
9:36 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
This debate has driven me to drink-wine-from a glass bottle ;)
Beth Callahan
11:40 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
I'm all for a campaign to encourage use of BPA free reusable bottles (perhaps ones that say Arlington as a point of town pride), but this idea is unenforceable, a gross overreaching of local government, and a step in the wrong direction. I'm sure these girls have good intentions at heart, but people will be more resistant to change if they are forced.
Larry Slotnick
3:10 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Michelle Graham: Thanks for your comments.
The problem with most Americans is that they just accept that if some product has been put out in the marketplace (by industry -- and in the case of water or soft drinks -- BIG business) , it's perfectly acceptable for society to start consuming it. In the case of just about any single-serve beverages, there could be nothing further from the truth. Here's a headline "Convenience doesn't always mean it's good for us!" Maybe you feel it's good for you. Okay, act selfishly if you want to, but you won't be considered a good citizen by your neighbors when real information gets out there. The bottled water industry is dominated by Nestle Waters, Coca Cola and others. Nestle owns Poland Springs, Arrowhead, and probably 8 other regional brands. Nestle Waters is being sued in just about every community where they've set up a manufacturing plant (including near Poland Spring, Maine) because their practices cause extensive environmental damage to groundwater supplies. Then there's the cost to society of the creation, use, recycling, and re-creation of plastic bottles. They put them out there, and then Arlington has to pay a Recycling outfit to pick things up at your sidewalk and process them.
Sure, recycling is a good thing. But, putting drinking water into plastic bottles when tap water is just as safe to drink and tastes as good - what a waste!
If you don't want government telling you how to live...be informed...and make the right choices
Stephen
4:01 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
In our nice restaurants around town serve water in a glass as part of meal. Built into the price of our meal is the cost to deliver and clean the glasses with water resources so I don't see much issue there.
But there are other places we need to able to get something to drink that don't have a nice staff to serve us tap water in a glass and staff to wash the glasses so we don't get sick. So how should we get our tap water there?... will they serve the water in a plastic or paper cup? Just the same as the plastic bottle.... needs to be recycled. Please don't tell me to buy a sugar drink because 'that's different'. Perhaps we should ban all drinks with our meals in lesser establishments. Maybe we should just band the sale of all food in town unless you can provide staff to serve water in a glass and staff to wash the glasses.
So whats next? Lets ban all toys because someone could trip and fall over them. - By Order of the Burgermeister Meisterburger
fran hering
7:34 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
yummy! fluoride, NO THANKS
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
5:02 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
It is said that Arliington's tap water contains traces of the dreaded dihydrogen monoxide:
http://www.dhmo.org/
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
smerls
9:50 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Doesn't tap water also contain chlorine, fluoride and other chemicals to keep it safe?The mwra may test the water but at what point? Do they go to everyone's house And test because I never seen them testing and who knows what those 100yr old pipes are bringing into peoples homes...and yes Arlington has 100 yr old pipes that are slowly being replaced.. but by what.. hopefully not by plastic !!
So when people talk about tap water tasting better maybe it is those chemicals that give the taste a bit of a kick.
smerls
2:03 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Yes Banks, I understand it was joke on the part of the Reverend...but tap water does contain other chemicals to keep it "safe" plus who knows what else is going through the 100 yr old pipes in Arlington....not that I am really concerned.. as a kid at the height of "bad" tap water we use to drink from the water fountains and garden hoses all the time and no one got sick.
You should really read the report wind dummy put up on the other article about the ban...
http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Angela%20Logomasini%20-%20Bottled%20Water%20and%20the%20Overflowing%20Nanny%20State.pdf
Just an fyi...tap water may taste better which by the way is individual choice especially since water unless it is flavored should not have a taste!! IN any case the FDA mandates that bottled water needs to meet the same and in some cases more stringent testing that tap water does.
smerls
4:24 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
I could say the same for the national geographic article you put up, left wing propaganda but at least I read it...did you even read this or just dismiss it out of hand??
If it is propaganda, please point out a few places where the person is lying?? ?
Are you saying the person is lying when they say the FDA follows as stringent regulations for bottled water as there is for tap and so bottled water is as safe as tap water?? Or what exactly is propaganda??
My guess is you did not even look at it...so this is what we are dealing with..now who is the sheeple??
Concerned Citizen
7:48 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
I am assuming it is not politically correct to propose to ban Coca Cola bottles or Pepsi bottles. If the argument is environment , these are as harmful as water .
If the argument is health and " fluoride toxicity" , carbonated beverages are proven to cause all kinds of chronic diseases, including diabetes. I just cannot accept the fact that local government is singling out water. If you want to ban, do it across the board, otherwise you have no case. Cheers !
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
10:47 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
A conservative sees something in a bottle he doesn't like. He doesn't drink it.
A liberal sees something in a bottle he doesn't like. He bans it, so no one can drink it.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
Steve O
2:50 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
100% true
Coco
1:09 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Great point Banks, it's about choice and I choose to use plastic bottles, even of they are banned!! I guess I'll have to smuggle them across town lines.
M.C
9:01 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
100 bottles of water( oops) i mean beer on the wall.....
JKP
9:07 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
So glad I got out of this town. I cannot believe how many crazy people now live there.
Drew
10:49 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
paranoid and unsophisticated is more like it. Can you imagine if any of them had to live in a city like New York?? They would be swallowed up in a heartbeat and never heard from again unless you wanted to visit them at Bellview with bottled water for them which they would refuse. LOL
Tim
10:01 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
I CANNOT WAIT TIL THE DAY I CAN MOVE AWAY FROM THIS GOD FORSAKEN PLACE. This is what the public schools are teaching our kids . BAN THIS, BAN THAT.
Mike
10:24 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
I don't think this one sample of three means that all the AHS grads will necessarily end up as another generation of thumb twiddling busy bodies. There are plenty of nosey old moonbats here already (just read some of the posts here), but most of the town remains sane. We're just not as noisy and obnoxious as the chronically meddlesome types who get involved in these "passionate causes". We are too busy working and paying taxes for the services they soak up.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
6:57 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Visitors should be encouraged to bring powdered instant water to Arlington... if they can figure out what to add to it.
Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III
Wind Dummy 25
11:52 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Is water still more expensive than gasoline?
Drew
10:44 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Why is it that every small insignificant thing in this town generates mass hysteria, whether it be a one inch dusting of if snow which renders the town paralyzed for weeks with mass school closings and terrified people streaming to the Stop& Shop in hoards for potato chips and (bottled water--LOL) as if the atom bomb were about about to fall and destroy us all. God help us ( not me because i am a reasonable and sensible person) if we had to face a really serious and lethal situation here.
Stephen
4:36 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
So what's next on the 'lets ban this agenda'
Disposable razors - need to ban those guys and girls and everyone must use an electric razor in this town. Here is a report showing how electric razors win over disposables.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/the_green_lantern/2010/12/trimming_your_carbon_footprint.html
Feminine hygiene products need to be banned - I just read this article showing how this $5 Billion dollar industry is impacting the environment.
http://www.theecologist.org/green_green_living/behind_the_label/268961/behind_the_labeltampons.html
What about banning Disposable Diapers? Read how its impacting our environment
http://www.livestrong.com/article/149890-environmental-impact-of-disposable-diapers/
What else should we ban?
Wogga
11:11 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Ban Special Meetings and special elections. Let's decide everything - ban or not at regularly scheduled state/US elections and in regular meetings.
fran hering
8:25 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
wake-up---the community activist are here -----arlington center is filthy, I never see plastic bottles on our sidewalks, let these people get out and pick-up the trash off our streets & sidewalks in the center
Steve O
2:50 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
Water bottles are bad but underage drinking parties are fine?
robert bartholomew
5:26 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Keep the bottles, include them as part of the bottle bill. If you want your nickel back then return it. Otherwise it will be picked out of your recycle bin or area where it was left as litter
Wogga
11:12 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Good idea - I'd suggest indexing the bottle bill deposit to inflation also. a coke's aluminum alone is worth more than 5 cents now.
Mark Kaepplein
2:59 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Ban plastic cups to discourage beer pong!
File a substitute motion for Mr. Jamieson's article to ban bombs too!
Mike
3:35 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Great idea! If we just ban everything we don't like, nothing bad can happen. Terrific logic! (Now let's add the obligatory applauding for dumb ideas - because the people who came up with it "are involved". Sheesh ...
Mark Kaepplein
3:41 pm on Wednesday, April 24, 2013
Sorry, forgot to inform all I wasn't being serious.